From Law to Hospitality: Pedro’s Career Evolution in Hospitality
In this episode of BARVOX, we sit down with Pedro, whose journey from law school to global spirits ambassador is a testament to passion, adaptability, and career reinvention. From his early days studying law in Chile to discovering his love for hospitality behind the bar, Pedro’s story is filled with lessons for anyone looking to carve their own path in the industry.
Pedro began his professional journey in law, following family expectations. However, while studying in Brazil, he realized his true passion lay elsewhere. His first major step into hospitality came at Chipe Libre, a renowned pisco bar in Chile, where he fell in love with crafting cocktails and delivering unforgettable guest experiences.
Finding His Place in Denmark
A Career Pivot: From Law to Hospitality
Pedro’s move to Denmark marked a turning point. Starting as a runner at Yama, a Latin American restaurant, he worked his way up to bar manager. This experience introduced him to the high standards of Scandinavian hospitality and the importance of attention to detail in guest service.
Honing Skills at Trio and Hotel d’Angleterre
At Trio, Pedro refined his bartending expertise under top industry professionals, serving high-profile guests such as Willem Dafoe and Barack Obama. Later, at Hotel d’Angleterre, he mastered the art of luxury service, learning the nuances of non-verbal communication and emotional intelligence, skills that would later define his leadership style.
Beyond the Bar: Entering the Spirits Industry
Now overseeing global exports at Copenhagen Distillery, Pedro credits his bar experience for shaping his ability to build relationships, read a room, and successfully introduce products to new markets. His travels have deepened his understanding of cultural nuances in hospitality, from consumer preferences to service etiquette.
Key Takeaways for Hospitality Professionals
Pedro’s journey is proof that hospitality careers can evolve in unexpected ways. His advice?
“Take the leap when you feel the urge, embrace failure as a learning tool, and always stay open to growth”.
Whether you’re aiming to manage a bar, launch a brand, or transition into a corporate role, the skills gained in hospitality are invaluable.
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Transcript
Navigating Career Changes from Law to Hospitality – Pedro Romagnoli
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today's guest fedro ranoli has an unconventional career path he transitioned from study law in Chile and Brazil to a vibrant Hospitality scene in Copenhagen Pedro's passion for industry and sharp understanding of spirits led him to work at renowned bars such as danger or Trio learning from the best now at Copenhagen Distillery he's shaping the industry from A New Perspective in this episode we will explore Pedro's career change the skills that help in transition and how his experience behind the bar influenced his approach to sales and
brand devel Pedro welcome and thank you for accepting this uh this invitation so Pedro how did you end up in this industry um I mean in the in IND in Denmark I had a bit of history in Chile actually I work in a bar okay called a CH is the biggest Pisco bar in the world actually it's like 85 different botles of Pisco classes it was pretty interesting actually but I did a few months there I moved here I was going to study in the University
I didn't like the university so I found myself in Denmark by myself and then he was like what should I do I don't know anybody work in a restaurant called Yama that is a Latin American restaurant uh from there I did to bar the bar manager and that's end up in the industry kind of a bit coent right in a way I'm asking this question because I've seen you have a big history before with law so that's when you said you did not like it you
started to study law and you did not liked it or no I mean like I I started so my dad is a lawyer and my older sister have two she's also a lawyer mhm so when um yeah I mean like when I found myself to go to university in Chile I just felt it was kind of like obvious it was not expected of for but I just felt like yeah I kind of like know what I'm doing there and I just never liked it that much
and then I moved to I went on a scholarship to move into Brazil so I was working and studying there in Brazil as a lawyer and that's why like in the fifth year I finished my classes but I didn't did the final test so it's kind of like in Danish like Y and jist so I didn't finish and then I Dro everything from mov to DK so I spent three four months in Chile with was the time that I was working at the bar there and
then I moved here so that was like the low background Chile and Brazil okay and what did actually made you to go into bars specifically because doing this shift from law to bars it's a big shift in a in a regular person's eye I mean I don't know I think like it was a mix of first of all like I moved here dropping everything and was by myself so it was like I need to [ __ ] work and make money okay so they was like okay what
can I do the original idea of what I wanted to do LW it was like a bit of the social side I was I don't know if naive but like I was really much expecting to like do something for people I went to a very like I know if it's socialist is the right word but very like taking care of the people high school so I I was going with that background and because of that I wanted to do low then when I moved here and
I need to find a job it was easier at that time to doing working in that industry and I found myself in the service industry what actually was looking for before was like meeting someone with money or not money that he could be happy or unhappy equally uh then just serving people and getting a smile back or creating a special experience and so on that I like very yeah gratifying so that's how I found myself like okay I like this and because when I moved and
I got accepted in studying here in Copenhagen then I was like okay what am I going to do now like I don't want to go back to Brazil I want to go back to Chile I'm already here I have Italian passport for my mom okay so it was easier to have a to move inside Europe but I wanted to give a I try at least for a year to figure out what to do and then I just love it and then you came up in here
to study still law or study no it was International I got accepted in international business and also international business and politics in CBS okay but um I I don't want to generalize CBS but it was kind of like the type of people that I was starting to avoid from not all CBS but at least uh in bachelor in CBS is a bit of like a prototype Master deg is a bit more mixed yeah but I wasn't like yeah and also like I kind of didn't feel
like going to put my ass in a classroom again like I already spent 5 years doing that you know so yeah getting rid of the suit andai and just trying to be a bit more casual it was also like a bit more me um yeah I don't know I understand you on this one with the CBS we have exactly the same opinion like this year as well so happily I did not get accepted and I did not even finish my application to them I was like
okay I will not do it just because exactly the same uh same reason and um you said you never finished your your education in here it was more like because you liked so much in the industry or it was because you did not liked it enough the whole whole CBS Vibe the whole I think if I wouldn't have liked um like the industry and the hospitality size I think I would have pursue to go back to University perhaps starting something else another University I don't know
because I liked it and I felt that I was good at it and I care I just even second guess about it it was like this is what I want to do and kind of like when you start this industry you never really know how far it's going to take you I believe this is obviously my opinion that there are several people from the industry that they just found themselves there but they don't really have the passion out of it so it comes a bit of
like this year of Gap in your like this Gap year in your life then you're like what I'm going to do I just work in a pizza place or whatever but when you find the people that actually they do care and you really have passion out of it like I think the growth can take you in different directions and those are the people that normally I would personally like look up to in any place that I worked before yeah I believe you are one of them
as well because I looked a bit before this um this podcast with you I looked into your profile and you started as far as I noticed in the online world and you started with Trio you went to danger and now you are in Copenhagen Distillery what kind of Trace what kind of values you take from that uh highend and luxury places that you can transfer them to this position that you are right now cuzz in there I've seen that you moved you only climbed up so
you went from the sale from the assistant venue manager to manager and now you are in um in Copenhagen Distillery doing all of the I mean I I started even lower to be honest because like when I started it was my first place was Yama I said from kofo it's in Li Kong by next to um I was lucky because I didn't have much experience but the manager at that point he was a Chilean french guy and he told me like you don't seem to have
many experience but I know you're high school and I know it's a good high school so I'm gonna give you a shot so I was Runner there okay Runner to waiter then start helping at the bar then the bar then eventually bar maner I was there for like two years and a half something like that then I got a call from Gobo Gobo Hansen he's now in Admiral he's the the FMB but he used to run Ruby back in the days and everything I got a
call from the guy and I moved to Trio and I don't know what do I learn what did I learn from each of the places uh I mean in kofo was all the places were super different man I mean yeah it was mostly young people then they will get paid quite low but you have like open battles of one the service go party type of thing and just having a good time so it was a lot of like this sabbath o mentality it was fun but
also like really McDonald's high speed just going also that place is a bit special because back in the days they used to move the tables on weekends and doing like a DJ play music live it was nightclub five she was pretty high high space and I was also going to denish lessons at that point I was going intense back in the days it was four times a week three hours every day in a studio school it was actually was pretty good I I think that was
one of the best decision that I did that I take okay to be honest to pursue that it was rough but it was was worth it um I learned a lot of kind of like [ __ ] I feel feel a bit bad to saying this out loud but kind of like I saw a lot of people that like I just felt like they don't have any aspiration you know kind of like higher than like using years of your life to just having fun in my case like
this was already for me like a second opportunity um and I was doing something that I wanted to so I was always thinking of which direction to grow and which things to learn and eventually I just felt a bit like stuck I felt like I could just let myself be here in the limbo and just having a good laugh and just get older and fatter just doing nothing you know so I think that that kind of like pushed me towards like let's take a new challenge
um I met awesome people I did I remember like when I moved here by myself it was March and I didn't know literally anybody so I remember like one of my colleagues Magnus BP I thought he was going to see this he was the first guy ever to make me feel like welcome or like he say good job to me he slapped me in the ass he's a Danish guy and I was like very shocked because I was coming all these prejudices then D are soall
and everything he kind of like proved me wrong and then I met more people and everything but that was like the first time so I met really nice people um guests and they were like a bit more like us now you know kind of like middle 30s uh chill people had a good time he me like many arrogant people in that sense um then M to Trio was different I was under like Paul Graham then like not many people know him now because he's a bit
of like the old guys but he opened Brum actually and he was also working at lead cube he brought all these Scottish wing of bartenders here like Richard P andone Steve that he was also Le running The Whiskey Bar Colin as well that now he like a legend here but also he he was they were friends from chood as far as I understand but Le for a long time um so Paul was like Paul taught me like the hard the hard part of like being B
you know kind of like how to do things properly and he's very Scottish so he was like treating you like [ __ ] but in with the meaning of kind of like it's like Gordon Ramsey those TV shows type of thing but you learn a lot from the guy and I really really enjoy working with him I quit twice on the spot he both K me and we were very good friends as well so like we will just finish the bar job and then he will be like
himself but he just didn't know know better but he didn't know different how to teach but I learned a lot from the guy and that's what I felt kind of like I make a huge jump of uh of part ending uh just also been a bit more humble because I think there is a lot of like arrogance in in at least behind the bar kind of like they the bar manager tells you how to do something and when bar man is turning the back you want
to do it differently because you feel that you know better I think like Paul told me a lot of like discipline in that sense and I have a huge respect for him he's now in Australia with kitty kitty used to work at Ruby so it was like a bartend C I went to their wedding in Scotland was pretty fun with the I don't I don't want to tell more about the wedding but it but it was pretty fun time some of the guys maybe they are
listening this they were there um he said you quit twice in that uh that job what made you actually quit it was stress it was no no no stress it was just like the way to make you feel sometimes kind of like I mean everyone who has worked with like old school scorge people they know they can be hard and I have a thick skin is fine but he will he will kind of like he was ready to step out of the bar and he couldn't
find the way and also he didn't speak Danish so I think like also like was holding him a bit back so he was getting lazy and giving you [ __ ] and you were doing double job so then at some point in the shift like I just like I just be kind of like I'm fed up I'm I'm out of here right now you know and he he will I remember like one day he closed the bar during meal service for like 50 minutes put me aside I
have a with me apologize and try to kind of like give me the to explain me like the best of his capacities that he was sorry but I didn't want to sorry was more kind of like d that just needed to to change a bit I don't mind that you tell me I'm [ __ ] [ __ ] that's fine I mean like you that's your way you know but um but it was more like the I don't know man it was more kind of like it was unnecessarily much
sometimes but I mean now in perspective it's fine like I mean I really learn I don't think I would have learned as much if I would have been who he is and I don't hold any grud he's my friend here now we still talk and then from then from there I moved toer um then ler to be honest with you I kind of like I wanted to start taking a step forward so where it's um I don't know like having a bit more resources to do
better D Glazer had at that point at least the highest paid salary for Bart that I knew and and yeah I confront something completely different it was like people would come to the bar because he dang regardless national International and the standard were in my opinion very low um and yeah so you have to fight with an F andb director then they don't see the same needs that you do because the numbers are there anyways it was a big Challenge and people wise Tri wise people
were going to go for the cocktails danger was like also a bunch of coffee so it was a bit of a different but yeah the three of them y Trio and Tanger they gave me and and teach me different stuff that I treasure for now and how I use that now with um with the Distillery I mean I think most like in my field of experts you deal with you deal with people from different backgrounds different cultures and you normally have like about a few seconds
to do the first impression is the first impression really sticks it's really hard to get to get this the opportunity to change someone's mind in the first the first time it could happen if you see each other all the time but if it's someone that you're just meting for that occas doesn't so moving from something like so loose of like almost like I don't know free pouring from Yama to strict the trio and then dangl standards it helped me to kind of be a bit more
chameleon and try to I don't know to give a good R of someone how they dress how they look body language and stuff that and I that's been something like I definitely been using it for for the export side okay so you say that uh those those experience in the past with all of the the places all of the three places gave you a bit more understanding on all of the non-verbal communication as well but also verbal trying to understand having lots of lots of guests
and trying to understand them that me and then going right now in a in a position where you have to deal with them for a couple of seconds and then you need to read them and then be be their Pier for instance yeah I mean like imagine like y you would have guys of our age getting shitfaced with mcal awesome you had Trio guys that they were like from the Loy office because it was right next to them and then you had like William the fo
or the guy from Game of Thrones or [ __ ] Obama you know what I mean so it's kind of like you really got the whole Spectrum there uh then you in in I was in Singapore in in April and you meet a guy that is like Jeans Normal looking guy and he's actually from the he owns 95% of all the electricity in the Maldives and all the setup and the resorts and that's his side job the guy is multi-billionaire and you have no [ __ ] idea because you
just saw the guy with so it's kind of like I don't know I think that's what I what I use the most and as well when you approach to bartenders for selling your product you have a better reading of the room you know like well I don't want to get to the next maybe we're we're going to talk about those topics afterwards but I think it's also a bit of you have to my opinion have respect for the person who's the other side also read if
it's the right moment or not the right moment and yeah I mean try to be a more human man like I mean the B CER is behind the bar is a [ __ ] human and the GU as well is a human and is that is just work or Le leisure time for the GU but there's a lot going on in someone's head that you don't know yeah absolutely I mean we are often seeing when you are behind the bar you are often seeing as a bartender needs
to be the psychologist needs to be the the waiter needs to be everything and this kind of values are some that I believe personally they can go and they can transfer to to other jobs for instance going into from completely different uh industry you as you said you came from law what is one thing that you can take it from law and then transpose it into hospitality and vice versa I don't know that's a hard one man because I Tred to get rid of as much
as I could for what I learn la la was extremely arrogant environment in my opinion um just like the way to speak you try to like change certain words you can easily communicate in a normal language to make it that more difficult to understand because it's coming from all Latin why uh if I would have to say what I can I use from low to now it's also know how to I don't know maybe how to dress well when it's needed or how to how to
use proper manners keeping eye contact perhaps um stuff like that kind of like more like like EET things okay but uh we don't deal with many lawyers from my side of the of work now so thankfully nothing against lawyers my sister is still a lawyer but yeah not my crew okay so when you say you go to to meetings that influenced you as well all of the values influenced you into the career now what um what can you see for instance right now we are on
um on a meeting how would you take that selling skills that you learn learn into bartending and waitering and everything that you did in hospitality and put them into into the perspective that you are right now dealing with all of the the international clients I mean I think I I think I learned more I think I learned the most out of like when another people was trying to sell to me when I was behind the bar because when I was at Trio I was Paul was
the manager but he wasn't really like he was leaving everything to me just without the title which was fine because I learned a lot and then ler I was in charge so I saw things from other guys like I don't want to say names but all the companies but then we walk to the V and I would be kind of like a this [ __ ] guy and then you would just be like Hi man how are you doing blah blah I learn a lot of that kind
of like what I was thinking like that person was missing or was doing wrong so I'm talking about the National Market wise so now when I'm when I'm being that person before was that [ __ ] guy now I'm trying to don't do the same mistake so I learn a lot from that side and in the international side um I think it's how to like how to deal with like your background you know kind of like I don't know we were in Asia for instance and when you
give a business card you give like two hands and it's kind of like a matter of respect and you take it from your inside pocket because it's like it's another different vision of what that means here in the western it's like that you are might just not even doing content doesn't matter those kind of things like you still it in cities they have like a mix a a mix of cultures and I think it's super interesting to to respect that and try yourself to accommodate you
know it's kind of like some nationalities they come to dmark and they're like oh they are this they are this they why they don't change and it's kind of like well you have to change if you are in their country you know what I mean so I don't know I think like that's what I I kind of like read a bit better to dang sometimes I wanted to kill some guests but I just entirely couldn't for like legal reasons but then you just kind of like
learn how to I don't know redirect manage your emotions or or also try to sometimes don't pick everything you know like you don't have to win to be right seem to be right with yourself in peace type of thing absolutely that's uh that's totally correct and we've been there multiple times as well right trying to kill people from behind the bar yes absolutely but um working with all of this International I believe your position reflects a bit more into into Brands and you see how different
brands and different cultures try to merge together do you have any approach of how nowadays brands are developing compared to let's say couple of years ago yeah I mean like um I think the biggest I'm GNA be honest here before I got my work at dang uh kopan Distillery I applied for two other big conglomerates for working in that position and I got a big a better Insight because I had some meetings there inside I went to the interviews and so on I met HR I
got pretty far in both I didn't get it in the end they chose the Danish person but I came to notice there then until a few years back almost 100% of the employers they were like business oriented students kind of they graduate in business so when they were going to working in the spirit industry and you have a bartender of Scotland for that matter just following the example they don't care if you got the best grades in the other school like you need to kind of
like know what you're talking about like don't try to [ __ ] me with stuff that you don't know what is the environment so I think that's been changing and I think companies have been realizing um then for one side um people are demanding better they don't want to walk to a bar that it has the same exact products you can find in a bodega or you can find in a top end bar once again not going to mention but I think like people who listening to this
they will know what I mean um so they want to become a bit more exciting and and I don't know man like I think the first person realizing ad you can see mov to the actually and I I as far as I know that was the first person that kind of like did that transition and I think he made his impact man it was a he improve theu in my opinion big time in the Danish market so maybe that was kind of like the beginning of
this changing and now you see like some maybe smaller the cies for now they also s of like okay let's connect the business side because it's business I mean you're selling you end up like selling Spirits in this case that's that's irrelevant for the question but then you need to have someone that can be a good a good blending of both sides business and the BART you're going to be selling to so I think that that's why changing also you can see more activations like people
are realizing that like instead of like doing brandings at the airport or stuff like that they need to do activations mix meet the bartenders do some fun stuff people can get to try it so I think Super interesting how it's mutating a bit towards experiences creating like certain I don't know then the then if the part manager like likes you and then also likes the product they're going to buy your product beside the another one that could be better yeah so it's also like dealing with
[ __ ] humans and not being like yes you have the product yes I following the contract yes you have the am of battles yes yes let's keep mov Okay bye so it's more dealing with the the emotion side of the things so as I see it is more like this brand ambassador ship call it like that positions where there's the transition between the business and the the bartenders or the industry which are the link I believe yeah but I mean the bar ambassadors like they don't sell
you know they do create that but then you still it's like I don't know who cares about fo but if you have like Messi giving you a ball you can score you see need a striker they can make the goal so in that sense I in my opinion most of the companies that I know they have the best brand ambassadors they do not have the best like salesman afterwards MH so for those companies when you are an owner with money and you see hey we are
losing wasting money on this but we're not selling let's go to the B Ambassador and then in the end it's all the way down them for the company so I need to go together and perhaps let the salesman kind of like do a bit of what the Bas are doing at the moment I think they're relevant for big groups but as a sales guy Denmark is not that big man if you're selling only in Denmark you really can do both in my opinion absolutely and then
um how um how do consumer prefer in Denmark to to go for what kind of Brands as you you are into your position now I guess you are a bit more also on the field but also in the back where do you see the trend going um International wise I see like a big relevance of the alcohol free Spirits okay honestly um I mean yeah there is um the sparking te company for instance they're doing really well like maybe people don't know how well they're doing
because they're doing even better out of Denmark but they also have like well from zero companies to is for instance so on I think they those guys are going to do well problem with that though is like once they reach a very high level in my opinion they're going to have a lot of competition so that's going to be a bit of a tough one but they are in a good timing in my opinion I think they're going to start moving also towards the whiskey the
is is weird man because there are some brands that they do great in Denmark but not good at all outside and vice versa you know like as for instance like we are doing we're doing better and better in in Denmark but I think like we made I don't know if it's a mistake but we took the decision of when things were Hitting off we have been open for less than 10 years almost 10 in a few months uh when we started we start focusing way more
in the export side because it's higher volumes and of course you assume they're going to have your city because you from Copenhagen and we started doing really well outside and we C are but we kind of like got a point and we realized like but what about our city you know kind of like being cold cophen the city and not really being as pres as we like to you like you have Stockholm BR and those guys they own Stockholm like anywhere you going St it's like
every single part people love it people feel like connected with it I don't know if we wanted to we want to now achieve that but we want to at least let people have their own opinion um start to work with the right Partners in that sense um but I don't know man how is this going to change is I think everyone I think I think it's also kind of like how to merge your daily basis with the drinking part sounds very alcoholic but uh it's people
like now when they got home and they open drink a glass of wine you can also have a Gonic you know what I mean kind of like and then sometimes we spend so much time doing things too complicated for the guests and they get back home and say like well I G to make a cocktail for Christmas with my friends but then like what happened with the rest of the days like pushing them out of the industry because I'm Mak it too complicated for them sometimes
I think it's nice kind of like a I don't know and it's kind of like when you watch when you go to Alchemist and E like top- Notch type of food but then you watch in YouTube channel of Gordon Ramy how to cook in 20 minutes you know what I mean kind of like if you can blend those two things you can create special moments but at the same time do it yourself at home I think it's also the future High rotation of the products people
get a bit more I don't know experience and they try new stuff hope way that's a that's a discussion that I really want to actually go a bit more more deeper and uh somehow flip it on the on the bartender side because you mention parts of okay you were going home out after your job as a bartender or as a bar manager as a person in involved in the in the industry how do you see that going do you believe that bartenders waiters or everybody working
in the industry they still want to go home and drink more or how do you I think I think it's I don't know man uh I'm going to speak on behalf of like in my opinion bartender that works in Denmark um I think there is a bunch of I mean there's very few bartenders in my opinion then they really really really care what they're doing kind of like they really kind of like take so professional 24/7 and I don't mean the other ones are kind of
like doing something wrong but I just don't think they're like I think they found themselves doing what they're doing and they just got better and normally when you look at the first guys like yeah they have a drink here and there but they for them it's like this is work you know this is not just if you can have fun with your work awesome but they keep it there Al the guys that like now you see opening their own bars or working for bigger conglomerates or
stuff like that um if they drink more at home or not I think if you're in the industry you kind of like lose a bit of touch of uh how much it is like I remember like before man like I could I could drink as it I'm tips and I would feel like I'm not drunk but now I look now that I'm out of the industry is kind of like well I could stop after like two glasses of wine you know what I mean but before
it was like it's one battle it's open the second one so I think like in that sense like people still drinks but it's I don't know man I think like if it's in a who am I to judge if someone has C and drink or not like as long as you get your [ __ ] together and you want to do your stuff like it's also fun to get drunk to be honest and better than you do it when you are in your 20s and 30s than when
you are the 50s with 15 years old kids at home you know absolutely so you said the big Trend that is uh coming up is the non-alcoholic uh things and then the whiskey how do you see this non-alcoholic why this is going right now based on your experiences why now and not four years ago or right now in this moment is it because of generations because of Aging because of cultures and I think it's because of knowledge in my opinion kind of like back in the
days you will go to a important restaurant that you get a soda or a juice now for profits for one side and also for getting people to get the opportunity to try something also like Elevate you have juice pairings in all the missionar restaurants um people also like I mean women get pregnant not all of them but do you know what I mean and then people are also like breastfeeding uh people are driving so it's a huge Market of there are more people who doesn't drink
alcohol than drinks alcohol in that sense like in a day by day not you can do both so I think like in that sense it's a bit more challenging but it's uh it's going to be big because uh you know when you're drinking soda you get most likely sugars the like the bble CO2 and so on like it's it's a bit it's healthier if you get a well balanced aloh fre octo um but I don't know I think like there is different kind of like Alternatives
uh for you have like from the SE bre you mix with water up to D in Asia they have like stupidly good alcohol free drinks then they can put even more time than normal with alcohol uh I think it's challenging for many sides like the expiration date when you make it how fresh I have to be how long it takes you there are bars in the US making like alal free negronis and they have like all ingredients making it there so I see I see future
in that like I don't know you want to take a goboat if you want to they can promote things with alcohol you want to do a partnership with uh with a I don't know football team by legal reasons they can't promote alcohol because they are like viewers underage so I think in that sense there more opportunities for alcohol free perhaps for some people could be less interesting but it has more use so I do see potential in that going but as I mentioned like think the
competition is also like high and to me like in a not represent the company that I work for but personal level uh I would encourage people to just try things at home you know kind of like I don't know you use lemon for doing a a juice for your fish just take the pill out and just have fun try to see what you can do at home just kind like ow yourself more experimenting and taste things a bit out of like the ordinary get your own
taste P it's kind of like I like Gonic sure okay but which type of jeans do you like or or kind of like which type of T you like to much kind of like try just get a bit more like the experience with your own tongue so it's more like self teing uh at home or in a bar going and have a chat with somebody who's experienced yeah and uh right now I have a question probably I want you to keep in mind that you will
probably represent the company do you believe that the non-alcoholic will going to be a threat or we're going to be at the same level with the alcoholic Market in the next let's say 10 years I don't know man it's a it's a tough question because like if you think about it the nonalcoholic is been going since before we were born the things like what we understand now about that is we thinking about like oh nonalcoholic cocktails that's two different stuff like I was RA drinking a
soda when I was going to a restaurant you know what I mean so in that sense I don't think it's going to change technically speaking but I do think there's going to be a higher introduction of like a more elaborated more complicated if you might say products in alcohol free side I do think that like it's it's going to be challenging for for everyone because you have like the spectrum is so much bigger you know from you name it like any type of fruit any type
of herbs any type of tea like you can really do disguisey limit so I I think that's going to bring maybe the best out of the companies to be a bit more more experimental and just trying to introduce new stuff like I don't know you go to South America they have a super sweet tooth you go to Asia it's far more tall and biter Europe depend of the country that you are so I think it's it's f and then we move from like Elder flow soda
to something that has like five six ingredients or maybe something was treated differently so how it's going to be in 10 years I just hope that like people always doesn't sound healthy but I hope that they drink other stuff besides water regardless he has alcohol or not MH I think it's it's just the industry what benefits creates more interest people are going to be more excited like I don't know if this ever happened to you but like uh at one workplace I don't want to say
which one if you had a um a bartender sick they would be like just get a bar just get a waiter they're going to just like go shake some cocktails for you but in the other way around if the waiter was missing was like no no there's no [ __ ] way we want to get out one of the bartenders in I think there such a big undermining of the industry at least in for what I want to speak only behalf of Copenhagen in restaurant they have bar
and restaurant they're kind of like everyone can just shake but no not everyone can cook and not everyone can just be a waiter so I think that is something that like is Gonna Change like you you see way higher like level in bars mostly around the globe but Denmark is is is going in the right direction and the nordics in general you know so I think like people are going to get to realize then like the bartend is not just that guy there shaking stuff for
me that I for for the dark stormy Asia's already there like Asia has like a huge respect for the bartender it's coming like you have Benders of like 50 years like 50 years plus they they still bending forever and they do everything it's a it's a different level of of like like culture behind about it so hopefully it's going to get more in that side than why can you pay 4K for food but for you a coil for 180 is like you nuts you know that's
something I think I think in that direction is going to change and that will involve as well alcohol free I mean I [ __ ] hope so otherwise like I want to be serving dark and stormies forever in this country well we we never know you 10 years ask me you you mentioned that that uh you can take a waiter and put it behind the bar and not a bartender and the opposite do you believe that something in the history when back in the days if we take
it a look back if we take a step back and we look it was bartender was a bit more respected I mean a lot more respected that it is right now at least that's my my opinion in Denmark not necessarily in Denmark in general in uh in the world oh okay I don't know if I shared that I I don't think I agree no to be honest no I think that like they were just far less Benders I'm talking about just Denmark like far less Benders
now I just think they s like a misconception of people like people thinks like uh I remember like back in the days when I was at danger and I would meet like someone that would be like 50 years plus let's say my ex mother-in-law be like a bartender she would think like I would be shaking coil in karach I would have P like those gun things that is like soda but then it would be like dangat she would be like oh but then like you would
talk with someone for bar then like I strongly know that they are better thaner and they would be kind of like it's juster you know so it's it's a misconception of the information so I think that the respect it's in Denmark it wasn't there in the beginning there were very few bars you know open like and the guys who start the the first top cocktail bars in this city they are either they sold the company and they are doing great in something related with the industry
still or they still have the bars open and they are institution of the of this city and I'm not talking about like 30 years ago you know what I mean talking about way more recent than that so it's it's new from the nordics like and worldwide I think like I think it's growing man like I mean for like I don't know it's hard to say without mention it people but also not being too vague but there are like certain cities now then they're having more and
more bars highly appreciated internationally and they're from different part of the world and they were not there before it's always been it's used to be much more like the US and and Asia now there's another part in between another new countri of speak that are showing up so I think it's creating a bit more I don't know people slowly want to go more to try a nice cocktail like yeah I don't know sure oh thanks I I appreciate it and then I have um a question
related with your switch cuz there are many people I got this question for a couple of uh of friends of mine when you go out of the bartending when you go out of the kitchen when you go out of the waitering what you can do and then there's different possibilities that you can do you can go with Brands you can go with uh sales you can go in any areas of the business at least I believe and you have some transferable skills what kind of primary
skills you took from your experiences in the hospitality and then went to this position and you can say okay I learned Sals just by sing Dark and Stormy or I did this because of this do you have any examples into into your mind um I think this is going to sound extremely [ __ ] cheesy and super corny but I think like just in countries like Denmark they're not that big just be nice man I mean just be nice with people like it's not that I'm saying like
all this raiky thing of like karma in general like I mean I do believe in karma but that's not topic but I just be nice you never know how things are going to turn around like I mean you're I'm I'm an [ __ ] sometimes like I can be an [ __ ] I mean I'm sure there are people who listening this so people that know me and they don't like me like that's fine that's fair enough but I still think that like sometimes with such small things that you
can do you have no idea the this Butterfly Effect afterwards like in my case the person who recommend me to get in that position with someone that I work for only two weeks but I create a positive impact with that person they that recommend me to take Into The Distillery so you never really know um skills like you have the best set skills but if they never give you the chance you're never going to be able to Showcase and I think that happens a lot in
this industry for the next step um there are some there are some companies and they want this kind of like a bit more structureal thing of like career what do you do blah blah but if you want to become a very good bartender in this case most likely you didn't go to university or you went beforehand so you don't have the experience so in any case like it kind of like go against you I think it's like the logic of buying an apartment the hardest part
is like buying the first apartment then when you own One banks are going to be more flexible the same you need to just get out in the somehow to that of what what can you do I mean yeah man sure like sales or opening your own place or getting a sponsorship with someone or leaving the country as well like this guy Steve um awesome awesome dude partender he funny as [ __ ] scor as well he in the in the whiskey bar from Le Cube he met a
guy who was like I [ __ ] love what you're doing a random Thursday at that day daytime it was like I love what you do I own I know it was like a 60% off like a diamond mind and he was like I want to take you with me so are you willing to open three bars in Asia and the guy was like let's [ __ ] go and he left that he's just all over now for an absolutely random Thursday if that guy would have wake up that
morning just being an [ __ ] with the with the guest I mean guess can be as as well don't misunderstand me but if they if he wouldn't have done that he will knows where he will be you know so kind of like try to in my opinion like my suggestion would be like try to be smart of what you're doing work hard of course but also work smart and see what you like you know kind of like what do you feel that you're good at what what
would you find interest interesting about it what would you like to do in 10 years like and of course we're never going to have the answers and it be a bit overwhelming and a lot of [ __ ] can happen in your life you know M but I think like as long as you know then the what you plan for tomorrow then you're just going to keep moving the right direction with DET tours or not but you're going the direction um and it's sounds like when you see
qualified people that they don't get the opportunity just because of no connections no network or language barriers or stuff like that it's it's a shame but I also think there is like I don't say that like it's their fault but I think there are some things there they could have done differently to kind of like open small Windows here and there and then when the time comes it comes so saying having a plan is more powerful than not having a plan if you are willing to
share with us what is your plan where is your aim to go forward you with Distillery without distillery in uh in life into your career do you want to exit the hospitality completely to do another shift or you just want to stay and continue developing more into it I don't have uh I don't have any plans to live the industry I mean guess we never know but I don't think so um I don't know I think like my my I truly I don't want to make
this kind of like as my work podcast but I I profoundly profoundly believe in the products that we're selling and we're making um I think there were some internal structural things that they could have been done better and I think we are on it and I see the response in in markets that I find exciting so I truly think that like I mean I want to believe that thinks are going to go in a very high Direction um just Tak it from there I do want
to now do as much travel as I can to increase the network and being able to do more work remote um it's you can't really meet someone from here when is someone out of the country you know I mean so in that sense I need to be out meet them talk and then go visit them here and there I I don't know man I remember like one of my best moments like in the industry has been when you you end up having like this regular you
know but not the [ __ ] guy who walks in every Friday and you're like this [ __ ] dick I'm talking about like some person you're kind of like happy to see you know bit of their life and everything and just regardless like how they dress male female how much money they have you realize that you in their eyes or they even tell you that you're creating special moments for them that is something that like I I don't know sounds a bit idealistic but like I think like it
would be everything way U way easier if we kind of like move that feeling from this side kind of like I have a a friend from France he's actually a the son of a wiard quite big in France but he has nothing to do with us but I [ __ ] love the guy he has a bottle of a orange Jean every time at home and he sent me photos with his wife he's like oh i' be coming hang like six time he's like I [ __ ] love it
so he get on the weekends a battle with him and his wife he sent me photos and like it's a silly tiny thing and of course like you can't leave off like these dreams because there still builds to be B for the distilleria for myself but it's nice kind of like creating some moment I have a friend from Korea they makes an amazing gin like I think it's insane it's not in Europe yet and I'm trying to get help him out getting out so if anybody's
interested let me know boja gin is insane and and that guy have the battle there at home and like I know created those moments and if we can create that to people at home uh I think that's what restaurants do now you know you have your favorite restaurants anniversary that is where you met someone and now slowly there are some bars that have been long enough then people can say like this is our favorite bar or whatever people can have their favorite Jean the favorite whisky
whatever at home I think that's what it's all about you know mixing food and drinks with just emotion that's uh that's great and I believe that's a very very nice timing and uh and way to leave our listeners to to hang on and I have for you the the last two questions as I mentioned in the beginning there is will going to be one question where we ask everybody and then it's a question tailor made for your profile so the question that we we want to
ask everybody is what advice would you give to someone who's making a career change like yours um I like when they are already doing the change or they would like to do a change if they would like to do a change um I think I think do it as soon as you have the feeling or start trying as soon as you have the feeling like it's um it's kind of like this metaphor of like the train if the train is leaving it's not coming back so
talk to your closest people have an idea of what you like to do and I just express it I know it's complicated sometimes when you have a boss you don't want your boss to know that you're leaving your job or whatever so be smart about it but um just kind of like try like if you leave the bartending job you will always have a job again for you if you're good enough maybe not in the place you were dreaming for but you can always come back
but it's a few times you can manage to get your food out of the industry so just try and perhaps even you change you leave and then you miss it so much you want to come back I know one brother bartender in town then left the industry left left he went out of the bar and now he's back because he miss it and he loves it so you you know better when you try so I don't know that's what I would recommend the most and just
also I think it's important in this country to open up your horizons like you can have your good your group of friends awesome but also shake hands with another people talk with another people be nice with another people then it's easier for you to also care about someone else and then someone is going to care about you so if they know you you're looking for something they might help you out as well you know yeah and then I have one more question which is the last
one what kept you motivated while working behind the bar where being in front of the guest well what kept you going there every single day cuz it's a tough position and it's tough to work during the nights it start to work late hours what kept you you going the second day saying I really want to go and I really want to to do that I think it was always like having a goal that really kep me on like if I felt then like I was like
reaching a roof I would leave the place it was always like something like from how can I do this cocktail faster how can I place the speed rack better from those kind of like small things in your daily basis to also how can I go faster to this table and come back what should I do with my hands all those small things to also towards like what I want to do in the future how can I go in that direction that kind of like feeling that
you're run is like a [ __ ] hamster in a wheel you know but just kind of like something that is trying to chase the cheese that keep me motivated keep my mind occupied and I keep myself like Top Notch because I want to get the best out of myself uh um once you lose the motivation you stop caring and that's dangerous because then you can harm yourself in many different ways doing stuff that you didn't want to do or taking wrong decisions and um I think it's
a dangerous game to be demotivated in this industry so I keep yourself motivated that's why absolutely love it and we are on the same page on this one so Pedro I would like to say a big thank you for being here MH and uh really looking looking forward to to see you next time as well hope going to be next time yeah yeah in 10 years we say like we going to put the booking you never know thank you for inviting me it was a my
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